First discovered in 1968, the underwater ruins of Pavlopetri, Greece turned out to be about 5,000 years year old. It it called the oldest submerged city in the Mediterranean Sea. Certain things found hint it may be older.

From University of Nottingham
Race to preserve the world’s oldest submerged town – Part 2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavlopetri
https://elafonisos.inspacetime.gr/en/tour/pavlopetri
The sunken city of Pavlopetri: the oldest submerged city in the Mediterranean
http://en.protothema.gr/photooftheday/underwater-city-pavlopetri-laconia/
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/01/22/pavlopetri/
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gres-Pavlopetri.jpg
https://neoskosmos.com/en/160500/pavlopetri-the-oldest-submerged-city-in-the-world/

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49 COMMENTS

  1. That looked more like 12,000 years old or older probably before the flood even just like in South America they were very old then they were used by others and then abandoned. Now yet again inhabited. I pray our times are over I’m so very tired. I am completely worn out. Repeat after repeat ☹️ all I ask is not to have to move again from emigration of people that thought to steal from us by overwhelming and persecuting and enslaving us with debt then kicking us out after we built the land alone. They already started erasing us well besides the lies they tell about us.

  2. This place is so close to Crete and Santorini where the Minoan civilization thrived and around the same time
    The Minoans were seafarers and it would be very easy for that to have been part of their civilization owing that they had plumbing like has been found on Santorini

  3. Dating of submerged coastal cities at 3000 BC or less is problematic unless it could be shown there was some kind of huge seismic disturbance that caused the area to submerge. Otherwise, the only other likely plausible reason could be, yes, you guessed it: the Younger Dryas sea level rise. In that case, 11000 BC minimum. But that would be nuts, wouldn't it?

  4. I have been there and i tell you this is huge! On the shore there are tombs on the rocks like caves that are of course ruins and the Greek goverment doesnt do anything! I am Greek…

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  6. There is pretty strong evidence that Homer himself was from 1600 BCE, rather than the Age of Heroes he describes as ancient history.

    Consider the issue of the boar's tusk helmet. In Homer's work, the Iliad, at 10.260–5, we find the following written:
    "Meriones gave Odysseus a bow, a quiver and a sword, and put a cleverly made leather helmet on his head. On the inside there was a strong lining on interwoven straps, onto which a felt cap had been sewn in. The outside was cleverly adorned all around with rows of white tusks from a shiny-toothed boar, the tusks running in alternate directions in each row."

    So what? So, boar's tusk helmets were common in the Mycenean age, or around 1600 BCE. They were exceedingly uncommon, even unknown, by the Greeks living in 800BCE and onwards.

    Therefore, you need to make a reasonable choice. Was Homer aware of the Mycenean customs 800 years before his culture and time, or was he projecting the customs of his own time onto the characters in his story?

    The former choice requires that Homer was quite the incredible anthropologist and scholar, and dramatic realist, one who knew what went on 800 years earlier "somehow". The latter choice simply dates Homer by the way he describes the way warriors dressed.

    There is no question, the Illiad is about a far distant time. It is a myth, not a contemporary history. So, when was it written?

    Here are some hints. Everyone has bronze weapons and armour, not iron. Horses are present, but not war chariots. Seems like a pretty weird way for someone 300 years into the iron age to write about war, no?

    Lastly, there is the vexing issue of Sumerian texts, such as the epic of gilgamesh, which contain striking similarities with Greek myth, including the flood, and the wars between heroic men of great stature. Sumerian texts pre-date the bronze age (1600 BCE) by at least 1000 years, and those texts are describing ancient history.

    So, in order to believe the modern conjecture that the Iliad refers to the Bronze age, that Troy happened around 1600, one needs to argue that there was no continuance between the ancient Sumerian literature (and Parthenon of deities) and Homeric Greek Myth.

    That's a pretty extreme theory. It asks us to believe that some parts of the Homeric Greek myths are handed down from texts that date to 2600 BCE, while other parts of exactly the same myths are history written in 800 BCE, careful crafted to reflect the technology of the 1600s in the depiction of events.

    Why are we expected to believe this extreme scenario?

    So that some some archaeologist can say he found the city of Troy, and date it conveniently inside an established timeline of human history?

    Homeric poems were handed down as song, as chants, long before literature. In this sense, they date themselves as precursors to the Mycenaeans, who had linear B, and the later Greeks. These myths were like the vedic tradition, like the dreamtime stories of the australian aborigines. Like Genesis, and the Epic of Gilgamesh, they record a great flood, a lost age of heroes, and like those stories, nobody ever claimed they were from the 1600s, certainly not the people who wrote them, until modern archaeology decided to force it's peculiar orthodoxy onto every piece of available evidence.

  7. Sea levels rise and fall with evolutions of earth climate and ice pack of the poles. The ice of Antarctica and the Arctic are said to be melting currently. If so, future generations may get to explore submerged ruins of current coastal cities. Maybe it is time to get SCUBA training?🐳

  8. 5 million years ago was dried up the Straight of Gibraltar was a dam like area for about 170,000 years . The sea evaporated till the dam broke wondering if it could have happened more than once? Great article interesting

  9. When, on the other hand, the gods purge the earth with a deluge of water, the survivors in your country are herdsmen and shepherds who dwell on the mountains, but those who, like you, live in cities are carried by the rivers into the sea. -Timaeos

  10. There's just something about reaching into the past like this. Catching a glimpse of what once was. It fills me with awe, and takes my breath away.

  11. Science is only proven when scientists can put aside their ego trips and agree on specific data points and anomalies. Cherry picked data happens all the time, from science to the stock market. Nothing is true. Form your own opinions and follow your gut. I dig your videos!

  12. Our entire world history can be found at 300-400 feet below current sea levels. Most countries will not permit research without mainstream support who withhold funding for research at these depths for a myriad of reasons. If they WANT to know when North America was first inhabited and by whom, you have to look where people lived then, just as today, along coast lines especially where rivers met the sea.

  13. I enjoy your videos Chuck. However, stating dates, as you have done on this one, and many other's, are only best estimations of how old anything is. Regurgitating dates as Academia has repeatedly done, only serves to shut off any future contradictions, as you yourself then imply in your show notes, " may be older".. If, and when additional facts are discovered, it is more serving to these ancient sites to state in your titles, " Supposed 5,000 y.o.", " Best guess 5000 y.o". " Estimated 5,000 y.o", etc.

  14. the feature you see following the coastline is most probable just coral reefs, they do take a couple of hundred years to grow and they have likely been there since the coastline submerged (after that few hundred years of growth)

  15. Long structure is man made
    Documentary about this site explained it

    Sorry, I forgot the documentary's name …My memory is a little fooked

  16. The amount of debris suggests sudden catastrophic inundation Perhaps the earthquake mentioned was a major subduction event. It would be interesting to find out how extensive the event was and whether other cities or settlements were also affected.

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